tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5584699251999622098.post8911515967233155269..comments2024-03-16T09:24:45.474+01:00Comments on 22 Billion Energy Slaves: 22 Billion Energy SlavesJason Heppenstallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17886109260870545074noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5584699251999622098.post-50924349103676448742012-01-20T08:51:13.165+01:002012-01-20T08:51:13.165+01:00Hi Jeffrey - thanks for stopping by - it was inspi...Hi Jeffrey - thanks for stopping by - it was inspiring to read about the way of life you have chosen!<br /><br />I think you're right if you are just talking about industrial 'civilization' (I was probably meaning something a bit broader - let's call it 'faith in progress'). This is just programmed to accelerate like a car being driven up a hill by a speed demon, and the moment he takes his foot is off the accelerator pedal the car grinds to halt and will start to roll backwards.<br /><br />It's not a good thing to be in a car rolling down a hill backwards - better to jump out when you're part way up the hill and the car hasn't stalled, I say.Jason Heppenstallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886109260870545074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5584699251999622098.post-69943590677503126682012-01-20T02:07:42.654+01:002012-01-20T02:07:42.654+01:00"Civilisations generally take a couple of hun..."Civilisations generally take a couple of hundred years to die. Ours is unlikely to be exceptional - although we often think it is."<br /><br />I think on the contrary it will be exceptional. Rome was built with muscle and hand-forged iron. Our industrial civilization was built with far more energy intensive processes which are also needed to sustain the whole machine lest it rapidly fall apart, perhaps over the course of several decades, though that is still quick on the historical scale of things.<br /><br />This coupled with freak weather and ecological payback for our environmental transgressions, the crashing will be all the more painful.Jeffrey Kotykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11466850119342584826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5584699251999622098.post-5865198947447664222011-12-01T21:16:00.030+01:002011-12-01T21:16:00.030+01:00Peak Oil Poet, it's true that maybe most of th...Peak Oil Poet, it's true that maybe most of the people coming here will already know about PO, but starting this blog off I have to assume that most people don't. Most of the people I know have never heard of the concept so I will be spending the first few week/months outlining some basic concepts. Saying that, events are moving so quickly at present I can't restrain from butting in, so I'll aim for one informative post a week and one based on current events. This may seem a bit haphazard but there is so much to say and discuss!<br /><br />I agree there is a huge cognitive dissonance happening, I think a lot of people sense unease. Maybe it's true that currently they 'can't see the ships', especially if everyone else is insisting they are just mirages. I don't think this is hard-wired into us, I just think that as social primates it takes a large number of us to point out the ships before everyone else starts insisting they saw them all along but forgot to mention it.<br /><br />Regarding the change, yes, it's true that it is a huge change, but it's not 'we' asking it of the people, it's a case of butting up against ecological limits. As Bill McKibben said, planet earth doesn't negotiate, so people will have to accept the physical reality either sooner or later.Jason Heppenstallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17886109260870545074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5584699251999622098.post-59955049446634810452011-12-01T20:53:43.302+01:002011-12-01T20:53:43.302+01:00ps
i expect that most of your readers will alread...ps<br /><br />i expect that most of your readers will already know about peak oil<br /><br />maybe you could explore issues based on that assumption<br /><br />pThe Peak Oil Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16689230374176801643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5584699251999622098.post-16067352827609176822011-12-01T20:52:35.725+01:002011-12-01T20:52:35.725+01:00No, i did not read it in the news or hear it eithe...No, i did not read it in the news or hear it either.<br /><br />The sad thing is that i sometimes wonder if the denial of such issues as peak oil is either hard wired into our nature or if the hard wiring is so focused on entertainment and joy-joy feelings that such issues are quite literally invisible<br /><br />i remember once reading about the first contact between Europeans and American natives - how they natives looked at the ships but could not "see" them - there was no experience, no wiring of their brains, that allowed them to recognise the strange new things in their waters - perhaps their brains tried to resolve them into islands or giant bats or something else or a flicking between many possible resolutions - but they simply could not "see" them<br /><br />cognitive dissonance<br /><br />i've noticed over that years that if i try and push peak oil understanding on people - past this dissonance - i am met with anger<br /><br />it is such a huge change we ask of people - so huge<br /><br />and perhaps it's pointless - perhaps it is better to let the whole world go on its day to day way and hope for emergence from the other end <br /><br />who knows eh<br /><br />:-)<br /><br />pThe Peak Oil Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16689230374176801643noreply@blogger.com